growing martagon lilies, with a touch of lime

Lilium martagon hybrid 'Claude Shride'SEATTLE-BASED GARDEN FRIENDS brought me lily bulbs years ago, ones they said were their favorites, but of a type I didn’t know. They were martagon lilies, and when I saw my first flowers the next spring, they quickly became my favorite, too, with their Turk’s cap-style blooms and a natural-looking demeanor—no stiffness, and lots of grace. My gift had come from a nursery near my friends’ garden, which has a great assortment of martagons. In 2013, I asked that expert grower to give us the 101 on them (quick hint: lime desired!), and lily-growing and dividing in general. This is the updated version of that story.

Dianna Gibson of B&D Lilies, in Port Townsend, Washington, took the time away from tree-felling and bulb-harvesting and all the rest of her giant to-do list on the farm to answer my questions this week. Dianna, a longtime source for American-grown lily bulbs and keen gardener herself, has a large selection of martagons, among other goodies.

The so-called martagons—which can loosely refer to the actual species Lilium martagon, or to hybrids of martagon and other species including L. hansoniibloom just before and with the Asiatic lilies, says Dianna. She calls them, “classic choices for old-style gardens.” The species originated in Europe, and is hardy down to Zone 3, but on the other end of hardiness, “they need some winter chill,” says Dianna, “so Zone 9 works in gardens if they are on the ‘cold side’ of the house and in shade, but not on a south-facing, white house, with a sidewalk.” Zone 8 is safer, and again: don’t bake them in a hotspot.

Mrs. R.O. Backhouse martagon lily hybrid The ones I was gifted years ago are both hybrids: ‘Mrs. R.O. Backhouse’ (a 1921 introduction that Dianna calls “straw yellow with a soft magenta reverse”–photo above and reverse side below) and ‘Claude Shride’ (top-of-page photo), a 1970s variety with reddish-mahogany blooms with amazing texture. Martagons don’t make giant flowers, but a settled-in bulb can produce a profusion of them on a single stem, a delight not just to gardeners but also butterflies.

my lily q&a with dianna gibson

Q. How did you get started with martagons–do you recall your first?

A. I do not remember where we obtained our first ones, but it was probably from Rex Lilies, whose owners moved to Port Townsend in the late 1970’s, and for whom we started growing some of the species for their catalog.  That catalog has been gone for about 20 years now, but we liked the delicate-looking form of the species lilies and grew several different kinds back then.  My husband, Bob, remembers buying several from Julius Wadekamper of Borbeleta Gardens when they were in Minnesota, and from Bert Porter in Canada, both of whom have passed away. I’ve written about our experiences with martagons on my blog, too.

mrs. r.o. backhouse martagon hybrid lilyQ. Where do they work best, light-wise, in the garden?

A. As with any lily, a bit of shade will tend to “stretch” the stem a bit, which in the case of Lilium martagon, gives it a more pleasing countenance.   In the wild, you only find them in dappled light at the edges of meadows for the most part.  Those in full sun are always shorter and more compact.

Q. I know martagons have a reputation for really resenting disturbance in spring, and being a little harder to establish than other lilies. Tell me more!

A. One important thing about Lilium martagon:  We have found that spring-planted bulbs often do not come up the first season, they just sit and sulk, so we usually only offer them for fall delivery.

Even fall-planted, with the species (L. martagon and L. martagon ‘Album’) 15-20% will sit and sulk.  With martagon hybrids, it is only about 5% no-shows the first year.

We always tell people to mark where they are planted just in case they do not show, so they will remember where they are and not accidentally dig them up while planting other lilies.

Q. I read on your website that martagons like lime—which I didn’t know (meaning I haven’t been giving mine any)! What other tips for their care can help me have the best result?

A. The martagon types do prefer calcareous (sweet) soils, but they can find a home in every garden provided some lime is added yearly to the soil.

By the way: Trumpet lilies appreciate a dusting of lime on the soil as well.

Very important: Do not over water the bed! Try to maintain a deep “duff” of woodland leaf compost on top of the soil, but still with good drainage down where the lily is planted.  Don’t add moisture-retentive amendments such as peat when planting martagons! Perfect drainage is the ideal.

Q. Any other planting basics?

A. Because they grow slower than other lilies, you can plant martagon bulbs a bit closer together than an Asiatic lily. We say that lilies look most natural planted in triangular groups of three, spaced 12”-18” apart, so the low end of that would work.

But the depth is still in relationship to how large the bulb is in diameter. Our basic guidance: two and a half times the bulb size is the approximate depth the bulb should be placed underground.

Q. If I do ever want or need to dig and divide lilies of any kind, when should I do that, and how?

A. I just posted an article on our blog about how to decide when to dig and divide.

Even though they mature their stems early, we’ll start digging martagon lilies the first week of October here in the Pacific Northwest, the same timing as for many Orientals, because we want the bulbs to be hardened off, plus grow as large as possible before being transplanted.  Some species lilies, L. martagon included, tend to not do well if out of the ground for too long of a time, again, a reason we rarely offer them in spring.  I do feel they begin to break down with exposure to oxygen.  L. washingtonianum, a native of the Mt. Hood, Oregon, area when exposed to oxygen breaks down so fast you can “almost” watch it decay!

  1. Stephanie says:

    Do these types of lilies suffer from lily beetles? I have such an infestation, I’m discarding all the lilies in my cutting bed this fall, but I do love them!

    1. margaret says:

      Hi, Stephanie. I’ll add something on lily beetles in to the story, and actually Dianna of B&D was interviewed recently on You Grow Girl’s blog (my friend Gayla Trail) and they share tactics (including vigilance, diatomaceous earth, and more) for combating these pests. They can pester any lily and some lily relatives, but as with cabbage worms (one of my regular opponents in the vegetable garden) and tomato hornworms and so on, a lot of it is about fighting back fearlessly and without doing extra harm to the environment. Read this story for how-to details.

  2. Dahlink says:

    These martagons would be gorgeous in my old-fashioned garden, but we have very acidic soil. I am wondering if I could grow them in a pot in my zone 7? Has anyone tried that?

    1. margaret says:

      Hi, Dahlink. Dianna at B&D says that we can do fine in any soil with the lime trick. (And giving more lime each year.)

      Hi, Diane. I think everyone likes to eat lilies! (I am not a believer that there are many deerproof plants, but daffodils and alliums and some other bulbs are, including this list.)

  3. Caroline says:

    I was gifted martagon lillies years ago from an arboretum I worked at. Moved them with me to Massachusetts and then had to abandon them when I moved again to Miami. Now I’m back north and missing them. Thank-you for a source (I had contemplated driving past my old house and asking to dig but I don’t think that would have gone over too well). I’ll be ordering this week.

    Many thanks,

  4. Brian G. says:

    So when they say martagons sulk when divided does that mean they don’t bloom we’ll the next year or does it mean they usually croak? My two tiny bulbs are now a big clump and I would love to have more without the expense of buying more. Have you moved them successfully?

  5. Ken Druse says:

    I propagate my Martagons from seeds collected at the end of summer. It’s fun. I have been harvesting seeds from white ones, only, and they come true, that is, they have white flowers. I open the dry fruits, place the flat seeds on moist paper towel, folded over them in a plastic bag on the kitchen counter. In three weeks, they have formed tiny bulbs. These can be potted up right away and grown on in a sunny window, or potted and stored in the refrigerator until March. Plant them out in spring. The first flower appears in about two years, and they double annually thereafter.

    1. Barb Morgan says:

      I know this post is years old, but hoping you still visit sometimes. I’m so excited to try the seeds! Never thought of that before. Only thing is mine are either species burgundy or Claude Schride so have you ever either of them from seed? If so, what color do they turn out? I suppose the Claude S. would not come true at all, being a hybrid.

      I bought a couple of bulbs about 9 years ago and now they are a glorious clump about 4′ around and almost 6′ tall blooming right now. They get most of the south and west sun. I’ve never put lime on them, because I didn’t know I needed to, and my yard is filled with evergreen trees that drop needles–it’s a sandy, acid soil near Lake Michigan. I’m afraid to try to propagate any more from them, but think I will try to remove a couple of tiny plants/bulbs right at the edges this fall and replant elsewhere. I have no idea how deep to dig for them–hate it when I split a bulb of any kind! Thanks for the tip on the seeds!

      1. Ken says:

        I don’t know if Claude Schride will come true from seed, and I agree, it is doubtful. If the plants set seed, you might get something interesting. Since you have sandy soil, I think you can dig the bulbs safely. Just start to dig at least eight inches away for the lily stem, if possible. If you do split the bulb, it might recover. It will just take a bit of time.
        Best of luck!

  6. Eileen says:

    To Dahlink’s question about growing martagon lilies in a pot: I bought bulbs 2 years ago and potted them up individually because the garden I wanted to use them in was not finished and I didn’t know exactly where I would put them . I “planted” the pots and they flowered the next spring. The garden is still not done (!) and they remain in the pots. They are in bud now , so it seems ,at least for now, potting them has worked. I think it may also protect them from critters like chipmunks and moles or voles. The pots are 4″ square .

  7. Kim Hawkins says:

    What about growing lilies from seed? We have wild Turks cap type lilies blooming now on our roadsides, and I’m planning to harvest some seeds.

  8. Shirleen Smith says:

    I had to move my Martagons last fall to protect them from deer. Unfortunately, the spot that was available is too sunny. Now they’re just emerging from the ground (early April). Is it advisable to carefully move them in the shade of a plum tree, or try to protect them for the summer (an umbrella?) and move them in the fall?

    1. margaret says:

      Hi, Shirleen. Depends how confident you are about digging them without breaking off stems/green growth from the bulbs, versus marking where they are before they go dormant in fall then moving them later. No right or wrong as much as that right now, you don’t want to damage the shoots that the bulbs stored energy all season last year to produce.

    1. Marianne de Laperouse says:

      If you’re still looking to purchase martagon lilies, I found them at American Meadows. They even have three different kinds! (I bought a collection and am looking forward to growing them next year!)

  9. Michael Sims says:

    My buds on my martagon lilies were approx one third of the size that they would be before opening into bloom. This evening I just checked and all eight buds were laying on the soil surface. All three were purchased this year one stem had no flower buds. The other two seemed fine until as I explained one dropped all its flower buds.
    I haven’t found a reason why this should happen.

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