david salman’s mint cousins for a garden abuzz
IN THE MOOD for something aromatic, hot-colored, and abuzz with insect pollinators, butterflies and hummingbirds? With the help of High Country Gardens’ founder David Salman, let’s make a beeline to plants in the Mint family, like Salvia and Agastache and even wacky-looking Phlomis, to enliven our gardens.
David, also known as the Xeric Gardener, is chief horticulturist of High Country Gardens in Santa Fe, New Mexico. The former garden center, now closed, began in 1984, but you can visit anytime online, or in the print catalog (published since 1993; the catalog-request form is here).
I first met David through my work years ago at Martha Stewart Living, in the days when almost nobody even knew what terms like or water wise, let alone xeric or even sustainable meant as they pertained to our gardens. I’ve been thrilled and impressed to watch David teach and inspire the nation–earning the 2008 American Horticultural Society’s Great American Gardener award, among other honors.
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DAVID SALMAN was my guest on the latest radio podcast. You can listen anywhere, anytime: Locally, in my Hudson Valley (NY)-Berkshires (MA)-Litchfield Hills (CT) region, “A Way to Garden” airs on Robin Hood Radio’s three stations on Monday at 8:30 AM Eastern, with a rerun at 8:30 Saturdays. It is available free on iTunes, the Stitcher app, or streaming from RobinHoodRadio.com or via its RSS feed. The February 10, 2014 show can be streamed here now. Robin Hood is the smallest NPR station in the nation; our garden show marks the start of its fifth year in March, and is syndicated via PRX.
David and I share a passion for pollinator- and hummingbird-friendly plants, and so the mints, technically the Lamiaceae, the seventh-largest family of flowering plants in the world with 7,200-ish species in 236 genera says the Royal Horticultural Society–are often where the action is. In the latest radio podcast, we talked about his favorites—and how gardeners around the country can use them.
my mint-family q&a with david salman
Q. First, let’s just get everyone in the mint mindset—visualizing what plants in the family that they might know, besides the true mints (genus Mentha), or catmints (Nepeta).
A. One of the most popular are the Salvia, or sages. And then there are lamb’s ears (Stachys), for instance.
Q. And a lot of “herb garden” things are in there, too: basil and rosemary, thyme, oregano or marjoram, melissa, and even lavender—some more closely related than others.
So let’s start at the letter “A,” with Agastache. I had to laugh at your recent blog post on the genus, which had a headline like, “You say tomAto and I say tomahto,” alluding to the fact that nobody knows how to pronounce this genus’s name. How do you say it?
A. In Colorado and New Mexico, we generally say the name as A gastä key, A gas tā key or A gas täkey. I’ve also heard it spoken as A ga stash ē or A gas tash. If all that gets too confusing: hummingbird mint is an easy one to use.
Q. So tell us more about the hummingbird mints. You blogged about them as not just for gardeners in the desert Southwest, but for gardens all over the country.
A. Agastache is a North American genus—though one species (A. rugosum) strayed and found itself on the Korean peninsula. When you see a big healthy plant in full bloom, it sticks with you and gets everyone growing them.
I kind of divide them into two groups: the blue-flowering ones, and then the ones that flower in shades of pink, and rose-pink and orange, and often bicolor orange and pink on the same flowering spike.
The blue ones tend to be hybrids between the anise hyssop, A. foeniculum, which is native to the Midwestern U.S. and so has a great deal of cold hardiness, and the European breeders started to cross it with the Korean species. Probably one of the best-known and most growable in terms of tolerance to damp soils and colder temperatures is A. ‘Blue Fortune’ (hardy to Zone 4).
Other blue ones I especially like: ‘Purple Haze,’ and ‘Blue Blazes’ [photo above]. ‘Blue Blazes’ is a great big blue-flowered one up to 4 feet and fabulous for pollinators—it attracts both bees and butterflies and hummingbirds. Generally the blue-flowered ones tend to attract pollinators, and the Southwestern ones, the reds and rose-pinks and oranges, attract hummingbirds—but this one attracts both.
A. It’s probably not the botanists’ way of dividing the genus, but in terms of gardening practicality, that’s a good way to look at them. The blue-flowered ones also tolerate more moisture.
Q. In your recent article on the Agastache, you talk about giving them some “tough love.” Tell us more!
A. I’m kind of a tough love style of gardener. I give things just the bare minimum to get established, and then with the exception of a fall soil feed they’re kind of on their own.
This is a group of plants that doesn’t like to be fussed and hovered over, particularly when it comes to water and fertilizer.
I think we tend to express our love for our gardens with water, and a lot of plants we promptly love to death by giving them too much water. The hummingbird mints are a group that don’t want that, and they particularly don’t like a lot of fertilizer—and especially chemical fertilizer. It causes them to grow lushly and act like and annual, and not overwinter.
Q. My anise hyssop makes a lot of seedlings. Should I leave them or not?
A. The hummingbird mints do like to self-sow, and if you have several varieties growing in your garden, they are a bit promiscuous and will cross as the bees move from flower to flower. So you do get a lot of “garden mutts,” so I tend to pull a lot of the seedlings. These hybrids seedlings often aren’t as attractive as the cultivar you planted—though I am always looking in case one has a particularly nice scent to the foliage (the whole genus is aromatic—a strong mint smell, or even licorice [as in A. rupestris, photo above], or sweetly herbal).
- More on growing Agastache from David’s blog.
- All the hummingbird mints at High Country Gardens.
- The orange-flowered one in the top-of-page photo is ‘Acapulco Orange.’
Q. Close cousins then: the garden sages, or Salvia. These are not only in the same family as Mentha and Agastache, but even in the same sub-family and tribe as those two—so very closely related, taxonomically speaking. How do you look at the sages, David?
The European species are the traditional perennial varieties that have been in the trade for many years—like ‘May Night’ [photo above]. Usually referred to as Salvia nemerosa or superba, they are generally perennial, and tough, cold-hardy and best of all: They love clay soils. And if you have friends that are beekeepers, they’ll be happy your garden is filled with these European species, since they are kind of “home cooking” for honey bees (who came from Europe, not North America).
Q. And then others, unlike the herbaceous perennials we just talked about, are woody and even shrubby where they are native, or hardy. I’ve seen giant ones in California, for instance.
A. Yes, many of those are our North American natives, and the epicenter for them is Mexico, up into the Southwestern U.S., and California. Some can get to the size of a medium shrub—but they’re not very cold-hardy, so they are often used as annuals elswhere. They’re very vigorous, and grow and flower in a single season, so they can put on a fabulous show as annuals.
A. I’ve been working with three species—Salvia greggii, S. microphylla (which means little leaf) and S. lemmonii—for years, doing a lot of hybridizing to create more cold-hardy types. Salvia ‘Raspberry Delight’ [photo above] has been successfully cold-hardy up into the Denver area, Zone 5, for example.
Q. As long as it doesn’t have “wet feet” in winter?
A. Like the hummingbird mints, the sages are native to leaner and faster-draining soils. So east of the Mississippi they make great container plants, and can grow in pots for many years. You can pull the pot into a bright garage, or sunroom, or under the eaves–like in the mid-Atlantic, or Philadelphia, for instance. Many of these bush salvias—‘Furman’s Red,’ a greggii, for example–are very successful in those areas.
A. Salvia mexicana–a fall bloomer–has fantastic chartreuse calyces to contract its flowers, and the selection ‘Limelight’ is amazing [above photo].
- All the Salvia at High Country Gardens
Q. Now there’s one mint relative that relatively few gardeners know about out here in the East, at least: Phlomis. It’s not quite as closely related as the others we talked about—but oh, it’s wonderful. I know you agree, David. (I grew P. russeliana here for like 15 years…not sure what ever happened to it but it’s time to bring it back.)
A. I’m currently growing Phlomis russeliana (a great plant; popular and yellow-flowered) [photo above], and a beautiful lavender-pink flowered species P. cashmeriana [photo below], which blooms in shade or sun out here. And I have a superb new hardy species to be sold through High Country Gardens this fall: P. angustissima (a Turkish endemic species). They’re worth finding and planting.
A. I believe they’re called verticasters—the towering flower spikes with little groups of flowers spaces individually up the stems. They really have a wonderful architectural aspect to them.
(All photos courtesy of and/or copyright to High Country Gardens.)